Part - 7
Haṁsadūta: I can tell everyone that wants a program to come at five o'clock.
Haṁsadūta: If somebody wants a program, I can say "Come and see me at five o'clock." Because after they hear you and they have maṅgala-ārati, then they will be more thoughtful about our...
Prabhupāda: Yes, tell them.
Haṁsadūta: I think that's a good idea.
Prabhupāda: You can say now, "If anyone wants to see us, please come at five o'clock, early in the morning." Then I shall see how much serious he is. Now I have decided to go to Delhi. Even Gurudāsa suggests rightly. All of us, we should go to Delhi.
Yamunā: It might be difficult to make arrangements, Guru Mahārāja. The place where Gurudāsa is presently staying is not equipped for ten people at present. We'll have to arrange.
Prabhupāda: No, we can arrange in the Birla's house. He has a nice dharmaśāla. You know Birla's house?
Yamunā: Yes. We were invited to stay there for ten days.
Prabhupāda: So that's all right. So, who invited?
Devotee (3): One of the people connected with the temple has associated with us in Delhi and (indistinct) has invited us.
Prabhupāda: So first of all take information from the Pujari(?) in which train they have booked our seats for Delhi, and you write immediately one letter to Dhruva in Bombay and Tamal Kṛṣṇa also, that Dhruva may instruct the Delhi Birla's dharmaśāla to accommodate us immediately. So their dharmaśāla. It is Birla's dharmaśāla. First of all we have to see how they have made our seats.
Revatīnandana: So the residential place belongs to Mrs. Birla?
Prabhupāda: No, it is a temple, very big temple.
Haṁsadūta: So we should book seats for Delhi on which day?
Haṁsadūta: Seventeenth you want to leave?
Prabhupāda: Yes. What is the day, seventeenth?
Devotee (3): Today is the fourteenth.
Prabhupāda: No, day?
Haṁsadūta: Today is Monday.
Haṁsadūta: Seventeenth is Thursday.
Haṁsadūta: Thursday, seventeenth.
Prabhupāda: So Thursday, before afternoon, we shall start.
Devotee (3): You want to go by plane Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, I am asking one ticket for plane.
Devotee (3): You'll fly alone to Delhi?
Yamunā: The Delhi airport?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not difficulty. Ask Gurudāsa to take me. For two hours I can sit down. It goes direct to Delhi from here.
Devotee (3): No, it makes two stops.
Prabhupāda: That doesn't matter.
Devotee (3): But the same plane.
Prabhupāda: Same plane. And you come, all, by train.
Haṁsadūta: Will we open a bank account here? Will we open an account in Indore?
Haṁsadūta: This morning with Mr. Holi.
Yamunā: So when we find out your arrival time, Gurudāsa, we can inform Gurudāsa when you'll be arriving?
Prabhupāda: Yes. And then the next day you come, all, by train. Thursday we can wa...? What is that Thursday?
Prabhupāda: Oh, industrial house. Industrial house.
Guest (2): It's called "Industry House."
Prabhupāda: Industry, that's all. Industry House. Industry House Dhruva's full name, you know?
Devotee (3): R.C.
Prabhupāda: R.C. Dhruva, Secretary to Mr. R.D. Birla, Industry House, Church Reclamation...
Haṁsadūta: Bombay, West.
Yamunā: Is Parliament in session again?
Yamunā: I was thinking that Parliament goes in and out of session, and I wondered if they remembered this if Parliament was in session again.
Prabhupāda: Parliament is in session now?
Yamunā: No. Out of session now. When it's in session then all of the politicians come from their castles and (indistinct) their most of the members of Parliament (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: So when the Parliament begins?
Yamunā: It will be (indistinct) It separates for about a month and then comes together.
Prabhupāda: Aiye. Aiye. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa...
Girirāja: Insofar as seeing the prime minister, this is the best time because he is not so preoccupied.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Where is that picture? There was picture you prepared.
Devotee (3): (indistinct) picture with a letter (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Oh. So... So how long you talked with the Prime Minister?
Yamunā: Maybe ten minutes.
Prabhupāda: So she took some interest?
Yamunā: She took a courteous interest. As I say, there was no doubt that at the time that she saw him she was pressed with other matters. A very personal friend of hers that Gurudāsa is now staying with told us that she was very impressed, her personal secretary was very impressed, and that she said—we have it on tape—that she would like to see us again and she was sorry that she didn't realize that we had been waiting for so long. Otherwise we could have come earlier, she would have (indistinct) In that way (indistinct) some time in the future.
Devotee (4): In (indistinct) we saw some yogi.
Prabhupāda: Pressing nose. Nose-pressing philosophy.
Devotee (5): Haṭha-yoga also.
Prabhupāda: So what was his philosophy?
Yamunā: You do some exercises and know God, be self-realized.
Prabhupāda: You should have said to him, "Are you self-realized?"
Yamunā: I'm such a rascal, I didn't even try.
Prabhupāda: If they tell you then he's God...
Devotee (5): (indistinct) exercise and breathing (indistinct) some type of meditation performed.
Yamunā: He's social swami, a very social swami. He's very polished in a material way.
Devotee (5): (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: And smoking also?
Yamunā: I didn't inquire into his vices.
Devotee (5): In New York they call them "uptown swamis."
Yamunā: His example of spiritual life is based on material prosperity.
Prabhupāda: So why they should go to the yoga system? The sciene is more advanced. Before flying in the sky by a yogi he has to press his nose for so many years and the science has given us the airplane. He can purchase ticket, immediately fly. (laughter) What is use of pressing nose?
Yamunā: You explain that in Bhāgavatam.
Prabhupāda: Yes. What is the use, wasting time?
Revatīnandana: (indistinct) about when you walk on the water, walking on the water is a bogus thing (indistinct) two cent yogi because for two cents he could have taken (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: That's all. If that is the ultimate end of life, to walk on the water or to fly in the sky, so science has given them all opportunity. And the material science is so advanced, that all this yoga system is now almost accomplished because that is material only, material prosperity. Aiye.
Prabhupāda: Yes, eating flesh sumptuously and get fat. Flesh-eaters get fatty very quickly, flesh-eaters. Māṁsa. The skin becomes increased for flesh-eating. You see in your country, the Russia? Russian beauty-big belly, fat. That...
Yamunā: Germans are like that too. Germans.
Prabhupāda: Germans. If you eat meat, you very quickly can get fat. Also too much ghee also. That is also. But ghee will increase your belly only. Just the Marwaris... (laughter) But by eating flesh you'll get sturdy, good lump of muscles. That is... In Āyur-Veda there is a chapter which is called Dravya-guṇa. There is a book, Dravya-guṇa. So they have analyzed so many different kinds of flesh-birds, beasts, animals. How they have analyzed? That "If you eat this kind flesh you will get this kind of result." Hundreds of fleshes. What do they know? They can eat only cow's flesh or dog's flesh or hog's flesh. Yes. But there are so many, even birds, beasts, animals, and so many, analysis. And Bernard Shaw, I think, he wrote one book, "You Are What You Eat."
...still more conversation continued in the next release! Hare Krishna!